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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick V. Garland (Pgarland6) on Saturday, September 05, 2020 - 05:21 pm:  Edit

At long last, I have finally completed my manuscript, "Do What Has To Be Done-Army CID, 1918-1950." This is a history of CID through the two World Wars, how we began, the training, the agents and their cases. It is as accurate as I can make it, using period documents, case reports, court-martial transcripts, and personal interviews. I will update as soon as I have books in hand. It is well illustrated with period photographs.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas G Wilkin II (Tom_wilkin) on Tuesday, June 09, 2020 - 05:26 pm:  Edit

I just logged into this site, as a Guest, and went to the "CID Stores/Books" section mention below. I found that the last post was in August, 2013, almost 7 yrs ago. Further, about 95% of these post were CID book and movie reviews by CID Agents, who were non-members and CIDAA members. I also found the following post:

"Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message By Thomas G Wilson (Tom) on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 - 06:33 pm: Edit
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jwgee1953 (Unregistered Guest)
Date: Monday, May 20, 2013 - 02:19 pm
Text: For a newly released book with authentic CID tales go to www.jwgeebooks.com"

So it "appears" that a little over 7 yrs ago, as a nonmember, GEE, was trying to sell his 1st(?) book to this membership; a "repeat offender", as we say in the trade. My opinion, and as expressed to the CIDAA Board and the moderators for this site, I do not believe that a "Guest", regardless of their currant or past CID status, should be allowed to sell anything on this site. CIDAA is a fraternal organization, of dues paying members and not mailing list for book sellers, regardless of the subject matter or their CID status.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed German (Member) on Tuesday, June 09, 2020 - 03:12 pm:  Edit

I just moved this string/conversation to the public guestbook posting topic “CID Stories/Books” which was started for such public postings/discussions in 2013, when JW Gee was a CIDAA member. ...I probably should have pushed it there on 31 May 2020 when I approved JW’s original posting.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JW Gee (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, June 04, 2020 - 05:42 pm:  Edit

My apologies to any and all who were offended by my post as an unregistered guess about a book dedicated to CID Agents. It was merely meant as information for those who might be interested.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Louise "Mickey" Head (Cidaa1) on Wednesday, June 03, 2020 - 07:58 am:  Edit

The Founding Fathers envisioned past, present, and future CID Agents to meet and enjoy comradeship. I would encourage members to read the CIDAA's Constitution and ByLaws. I would encourage members to read the history of the CIDAA. Each and every member should request a copy of both publications from whoever can provide a copy at this time. I suppose that would be the Historian or the Membership Chair. I would offer to send copies of both publications, at my cost, to members who request them BUT unfortunately I lived through a house fire and no longer have copies. Be well. Stay safe. Please don't tell me where to go...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas G Wilkin II (Tom_wilkin) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 07:54 pm:  Edit

Mr. Minton and Mr. Cox, I draw you attention to our rules:
"CIDAA Forum: CIDAA Forum Guidelines (Public): Forum Guidelines
Saturday, December 16, 2006"

"Postings by unregistered (non-CIDAA Forum members) are permitted… and queued for review and approval by moderators before they can be seen by anyone else. This is not a board for use by all members of the public as they see fit. This is a board existing for the pleasure and benefit of Dues Paying CIDAA Members." The words "see fit" and "Dues Paying" is my point. GEE pays no "dues" and receives the "benefit" of advertising, for free, his book to 500+ potential customers. Also, Mr. Minton you can Not get to the "investigative businesses" site with out being a registered member of this site and you can not "get registered" unless you are a DUES PAYING MEMBER of CIDAA!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W. Minton (Ken_minton) on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 08:24 am:  Edit

I've bought several books from former CID agents - Herb Marlowe, Roy Tuttle, Pat Garland (I believe.), and one or two others. I found out about the books on the site, so personally I have no objections to a former agent posting about their literary accomplishments. I would hope that would encourage them to become active members of the CIDAA. We have a line on the site where retired agents can inform us about investigative businesses they have begun as well. I appreciate the folks who keep our site up and working and I think the more activity and the more it is used, the more members we will recruit and retain. Just my opinion and Lord knows I'm probably wrong more than I'm right.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas G Wilkin II (Tom_wilkin) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 07:57 pm:  Edit

Correction, provided by Warren COX,: The last time GEE was a CIDAA dues paying member, like you & I, was in 2013, seven years ago. Thanks Warren. Tom

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas G Wilkin II (Tom_wilkin) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 12:35 pm:  Edit

Does any other CIDAA member, think that it is ironic, that in the middle of a CIDAA membership drive, GEE, a retired CID Agent (fm the 1980s) who has NEVER been a member of our great organization, now wants to use our site to make money off our membership rolls? I do not believe that any non-member should be allowed to sell anything, on this site. Warren COX, FYI and the CIDAA Board's consideration

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W. Minton (Ken_minton) on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 08:17 am:  Edit

What's the title JW and a quick synopsis of the plot?

Thanks.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JW Gee (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, May 31, 2020 - 07:43 am:  Edit

A new novel by former Army CID Agent JW Gee is available on Amazon in eBook and paperback.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark D Sands (Markdsands) on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 04:47 pm:  Edit

I thought that "Fatal Vision" was an excellent book. I was proud to work for Bob Shaw while at Fort Ord District when he was the Ops Officer and taught me a lot about being a Team Chief. He was not only an integral part of the book, which he autographed for me and wrote of his personal feelings of my potential as a Special Agent, but Bob, as I'm sure Farrell can attest to, was a very complicated man. To know him was to tap into an unbelievable wealth of knowledge about everything CID. He was tough, gruff, didn't take any BS FROM ANYONE, but backed his agents 100% whether right or wrong. The book is a good read and gives a glimpse into some legendary SA's and the true definition of crime scene integrity.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis John West (Djwest) on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 06:52 pm:  Edit

"Town Without Pity" was about the group rape of the mayor's daughter of the german town of Bamberg. The accused were US Army personnel and portrayed as white soldiers but were not. While stationed at Bamberg RA in the late 1970's some were still serving time, at least told me by the German Kripo I worked with.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W. Minton (Ken_minton) on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 08:57 am:  Edit

Not to deviate too far from the subject matter, but there was an old black and white film, Town Without Pity in which Kirk Douglas played a defense attorney, defending four GIs. They were accused of rape. Gene Pitney frequently sings the title song in the background (after a while though, it becomes a bit annoying). But I thought it was one of Douglas's best movies and it did give a glimpse of the military legal system at that time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkRyfcCYCgk

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard B. Greaves (Dick_greaves) on Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 02:49 pm:  Edit

Good comments, Bill. I also downloaded the two books, and enjoyed the actions of SA Puller. Whatta guy! Also have read most of Baldacci's writings and enjoyed them. This is what fiction's all abut.....good stories.
Warm regards to all, Dick and his iPad

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William G. Charest (Bill_charest) on Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 05:19 pm:  Edit

I am a fan of David Baldacci. I have read almost all his books and enjoy his writing so much, I downloaded both "Zero Hour" and "The Innocent" into my Sony Reader.

After reading Zero Hour (most activity is in West Virginia), I really thought SA Puller, the CID Agent assigned the case, was a "super hero" because he knew everything about everything. I wasn't too happy about the far-fetched aspect of this, but I soon acquiesced to the fact that to sell books, there must always be a super hero to lead the plot. Puller apparently works for someone high in the pecking order in the Pentagon and is assigned cases based not necessarily on whether a crime has been committed, but based on political and/or media hype and adverse publicity associated with outlandish or nefarious activities which may or may not constitute crimes as the plots open up and thicken. Puller investigates on his own and only uses federal, state and local police when necessary. He travels with a back pack containing infrared goggles and all the newest state-of-the-art gadgets available. In Zero Hour, I really had a hard time putting the book down because of it's riveting quality. The whole book was absolutely great. I can't understand someone not liking it.

The second and the most recent book by Baldacci, The Innocent, was equally as action-packed as the first. A great read and I would it recommend to anyone; and not necessarily to CID agents alone.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TerryCrump (Terryc) on Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 05:08 pm:  Edit

Reading Zero Hour now. So far, so good.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W. Minton (Ken_minton) on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - 08:22 pm:  Edit

A friend of mine (non-CID)recommended the following: Jack Reacher series of novels by Lee Child, about a retired CID major and John Puller series (two so far) by David Baldacci, about an active duty CID investigator. I haven't read any of them, but I noticed this thread started with a book by David Baldacci, "Zero Hour."

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Keith (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, June 01, 2013 - 07:43 pm:  Edit

Wow...lots of good stuff here that I'm going to explore...don't forget "Goodby Yobo" by the "Chief"...Jearl Ballow...

The book has now been reviewed by the Military Writer's Society of America (MWSA)and received excellent remarks. For full review of the book log into MWSA.com.
My e-mail for those interested is: jearl_ballow_247@comcast.net.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Keith (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, June 01, 2013 - 07:49 pm:  Edit

I highly recommend two books that chronicle a very interesting, and possibly unique CID time, between about 1983 and 1987, which I was priveleged to be a part of.

"Blank Check" by Tim Weiner and "Secret Warriors" by Emerson.

"Blank Check" is the black and white version while "Secret Warriors" is definitely technicolor.

I guarantee you will enjoy both.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas G Wilson (Tom) on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 - 06:33 pm:  Edit

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jwgee1953 (Unregistered Guest)
Date: Monday, May 20, 2013 - 02:19 pm
Text: For a newly released book with authentic CID tales go to www.jwgeebooks.com.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donald R. Allbright (Don) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 11:38 am:  Edit

The preface to the book states that it's fiction.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas G Wilson (Tom) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 11:27 am:  Edit

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Author: Tom Ferri (Unregistered Guest)
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 10:43 am
Text: Just finished reading a fairly well written book by Ret.LTC. Ralph Peters a consultant on FOX. Story involved CID murder investigation at Ft Huachuca. Title is "The Officer's Club" an easy read and bought it in Dollar Store for $1.00, what a deal!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick V. Garland (Pgarland6) on Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 09:29 pm:  Edit

I watched "The Devil Makes Three" this afternoon and it does purport to be based on a CID Case File. The film does deal with the smuggling of gold auto fenders into Austria but that doesn't make sense. Most of what I had read on the situation, the gold was smuggled into Switzerland where the military government couldn't reach it! However, the film is intertaining to say the least. It was also nice to see some scenes which were very familiar because of my 5-1/2 years in Germany.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pgarland6 (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 09:28 am:  Edit

David:
The movie has recently been released on DVD. It can be ordered through Amazon.com. I just mailed in my order!!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Squyres (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 10:03 am:  Edit

There was another movie called "House of Bamboo" about CID. It was made around 1955 staring Robert Stack being in CID working undercover in Japan. The film was made on location in Yokahoma & Tokyo. Robert Stack infiltrated a gang of former soldiers doing robberies in Japan. It's on DVD.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas G Wilson (Tom) on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 12:55 pm:  Edit

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There was another movie called "House of Bamboo" about CID. It was made around 1955 staring Robert Stack being in CID working undercover in Japan. The film was made on location in Yokahoma & Tokyo. Robert Stack infiltrated a gang of former soldiers doing robberies in Japan. It's on DVD.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David G.Ownby (Derdegen) on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 - 09:34 pm:  Edit

Jeff and Patrick: Thanks for the feedback. I am going to locate the movie and the book.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W. Minton (Ken_minton) on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 - 04:58 pm:  Edit

Here's a link to an article which references several books about CID.

THE ARMY C.I.D. by Rick McMahan

http://www.overmydeadbody.com/cid.htm

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Holder (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 - 11:00 pm:  Edit

I believe the movie David is talking about is called "The Devil Makes Three" starring Gene Kelly filmed in Germany in 1952. According to the Internet, real MPs were used in the film and it is based upon a real CID file.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary C. Donald (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 - 12:03 am:  Edit

Interesting article here. It has to do with Nazi gold. http://gold.greyfalcon.us/gold4.html

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick V. Garland (Pgarland6) on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 - 06:02 pm:  Edit

David: The book Nazi Gold, mentioned in my previous post, is written about the CID Investigations into the gold stored in areas around Germany. The book gives the names of the CID Investgigtors and their units. I don't recall any gold being formed into fenders being mentioned!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David G.Ownby (Derdegen) on Monday, March 25, 2013 - 01:59 pm:  Edit

I have a copy of the Kakhi Mafia, and I thought it was well written and it kept my attention. I also remember a black and white movie that I watched back in the 50s or 60s which was based on an investigation of Nazi gold being smuggled out of post war Germany. The gold was formed into car fenders and incorporated in cars which were driven over the border into Switzerland (I think). I want to say the investigative agency was the Army CID. Does anyone remember such a movie? Was this movie based on any actual case to anyone's recollection?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freeman Poole (F_poole) on Monday, March 25, 2013 - 07:40 am:  Edit

KHAKI MAFIA had a lot of truth regarding the CID investigation into the EM/NCO club theft in Viet Nam. CID managed to convict the 1st Sgt Major of the Army along with several of this fellow crooks. Most of the book was true. I know all the real names of the agents mentioned in the book.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick V. Garland (Pgarland6) on Sunday, March 24, 2013 - 01:48 pm:  Edit

Folks, there are several books out there but you may have to search awhile. One is "A Murder in Wartime: The Untold Spy Story That Changed the Course of the Vietnam War," by Jeff Stein. Another is "Nazi Gold," by Ian Sayer and Douglas Botting. Both are now available in paperback and are true documentaries. There are also a few books written about the Army's Division of Criminal Investigation, during WWI. One is "True Tales of the DCI," by a former DCI Commander named Karl Dexter. A very recent book is "Breaking Iraq," by Col. Teddy Spain. He relates his experiences heading the 18th MP Brigade during the Iraq War, but is written at the command level and doesn't mention CID.
Good luck!!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carl A. Bandy (Carl_bandy) on Saturday, March 23, 2013 - 12:53 am:  Edit

I'm really Looking forward to Bill Ivory and/or John Mays to come out with at least one or more (true) books. Haven't heard yet if either has but hope they do soon (we ain't getting any younger).

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TerryCrump (Terryc) on Thursday, March 21, 2013 - 01:44 pm:  Edit

BucK:
I recieved your letter. Thank you for taking the time to send me the informaiton. I look forward to reading some of the books.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ray Fenwick (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 08:04 am:  Edit

I like most of David Baldacci's books, but "Zero Hour" was, in my opinion, terrible. I don't know if he consulted with real CID folks, but this was so far from reality that I just could not enjoy it. He has written another book in the series called "The Innocent" which I just can't bring my self to buy.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Farrell C. Shiver (Sndili) on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - 04:25 pm:  Edit

Terry,

"Fatal Vision" is one in the true crime genre. I used to work for the late Bob Shaw, one of the agents mentioned in the book (Fort Ord, 1983-1986).

"The General's Daughter" is one in the fiction category. The writer, a former Army LT and Vietnam vet, came to USACIL when I was there to do research for the book. I saw the movie, but did not read the book. He has written other books that feature or include the same protagonist (Paul Brenner), but I don't know much about those books. See http://nelsondemille.net/content/books.asp

Another fictional book is "Dereliction of Duty: A Novel." The main character is a CID agent, but I have never read the book.

It's not a book, but there is a 1988 movie named "Off Limits" where the main characters are CID agents investigating murders in Vietnam. I saw the movie and thought it was pretty far fetched.

Also see http://www.overmydeadbody.com/cid.htm

and http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11007587-zero-day

Farrell Shiver

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W. Minton (Ken_minton) on Monday, March 11, 2013 - 07:51 pm:  Edit

Herb Marlow wrote "CID - Army Detectives in Peace and War. Roy Tuttle, also a former CID agent wrote "Designer Cops - Revised (It's a mystery, but not about CID). Pat Garland, another CID agent wrote at least one book, a biography about a military leader. I'm sure there's several other books about CID or written by ex-CID agents. Ken

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TerryCrump (Terryc) on Monday, March 11, 2013 - 10:49 am:  Edit

Just picked up a book by David Baldacci, "Zero Hour", haven't read it yet but it is supposed to be about a "CID Agent" investigating a case because his brother is serving a life sentence for treason at a federal military prison. I haven't read it yet--but does any know of other books about CID?


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